Collapse of the Republic or the Fall of an Empire?

The fall of the Western Roman Empire has always been a common historiographical comparison among intellectual circles when discussing the current decline of Western Civilisation. Particularly relevant was the extensive migration of Northern (German mostly) ‘Barbarians’ into Roman lands, which has been frequently compared to the mass immigration of third-worlders into Western Europe, North America and Oceania. Additionally, the moral decadence of the Roman elite combined with religious strife influenced by the rising dominance of Christianity and the collapse of traditional Roman virtues, has been extensively compared with the collapse of Christianity in the West and the rise of secularism and moral relativism reaching levels unprecedented in human history.

The comparisons are endless and sometimes painfully familiar. The over-reliance on slave labour during late Roman times can be compared to the off-shoring of manufacturing jobs to low-wage, low working standard economies combined with the cultural stigmatisation of working people by Western elites and the overabundance of university qualified individuals who have become economically obsolete. Additionally, the overexpansion of Rome’s military could be compared to the recent disastrous wars in Iraq and Afghanistan which are largely still ongoing and have levied massive debts upon the nations involved, with the deficit only growing. Concurrently, the loss of social trust between the Roman citizenry and the Roman Senate, culminating in many civil wars, is highly comparable to the current collapse of civic respect among Western societies. Western Governments are almost universally mistrusted by their citizenry in our current era, and this divide is unlikely to recede in the near future.

It seems like the Golden Days (which many would consider to be the Victorian era) are long gone and according to a Spenglerian analysis of history, this is simply an inevitable result of the cyclical nature of human civilisations.

However, the unprecedented rise of Donald Trump has brought up an alternative notion. In his widely influential 1918 historical piece The Decline of the West, Oswald Spengler predicted an ‘age of Caesarism’ which would sweep the West as a final explosive struggle against it’s own demise, similar to rushing of blood to the body’s extremities during the final stages of hypothermia. Could we perhaps be witnessing not the fall of the Roman Empire but rather the collapse of the Roman Republic?

The final stages of the Roman Republic were rife with moral decadence, civil wars and demographic shifts. They could easily compared to the state of the West today, as much as it could be compared to the fall of the Roman Empire. The out-come, however, was entirely different. The successes of Julius Caesar and his popularity among the common people, combined with the Roman elite’s hatred for him, could be compared to the current populist surge of businessman Donald Trump in the American presidential race. These comparisons could become quite scathing if pressed needlessly, but it is interesting nonetheless.

Perhaps the greatest legacy of the Julius Caesar was his adopted son, Gaius Octavius (later known as Emperor Augustus) who was almost completely unlike the late dictator. Octavian rose through the ranks of Roman oligarchy as Caesar’s heir, out-witting his rivals including the once powerful Mark Antony. His respect for Roman moral and religious tradition, his political pragmatism as well as his commitment to public service allowed him to reform the Republic, ensuring it’s long-term survival, albeit re-imagined with an Imperial lineage.

This is from where I derived my pseudonym. In our perceived Caesarean age, I believe it will ultimately be an Octavian style leader or movement who will lay the foundations for a sustainable European future.

But we must inevitably ask the question, are we witnessing the collapse of the Republic or the fall of an Empire?

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The Sack of Rome by Barbarians in 410 by Joseph-Noël Sylvestre
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Octavian

Primordialist of a reactionary and Traditionalist inclination. Esteemed Greco-Roman LARPer

4 thoughts on “Collapse of the Republic or the Fall of an Empire?

  1. Assuming that we are due for an Octavian Revolution, who is our Caesar?

    Caesar laid the groundwork for Augustus. Has our Caesar arrived? Should we keep an eye out for him?

    I have been trying to lay down Roman analogies for the last 16 years, at least, and every time I come up short. All except the Caesarian coup d’etat analogy; hardly surprising as the great Oswald Spengler and Yockey both subscribe to the same.

    In our case, a Caesar-like figure would be the man who represents the aspirations and frustrations of the white proletariat and the increasingly impoverished and under siege Middle Classes. This also includes the all important rank-and-file in the military who no longer resemble the officer classes and will include many “promotee” type junior officers as well as NCOs/JCOs. I don’t see Anglo-European peoples as quietly submitting to the Cathedral’s desire to transform the U.S. into Norté Mexico/Brazil and living in favela type environs, subsisting on government subsidies.

    The Reaction is already under way. The cork will come out of the bottle if Trump is literally robbed of the election. At that point, the man with the guts, vision, and resources to lead the aforementioned classes of people will find himself in absolute control.

    I am not sure whether I to hope for this reaction or to dread it. All I know is that our current system is, as lefties like to say, “unsustainable,” and something’s gotta give. Hard.

    1. I think the benefit of Trump is that he’s helped shatter the glass wall of complacency and unhinged political correctness. He has started to make people pay attention. His blustering and bombastic nature is key to this.

      I think Trump is probably the most comparable figure to Caesar in the current Western political climate. He is financially independent (as Caesar was after his conquests in Gaul) and has significant cult of personality. He’s a maverick, which is what sets him apart from all others.

      Although he is unlikely to achieve much of what he promises if he was to somehow obtain office, it is likely that his inevitable vanquishing by the political establishment will trigger something that I simply cannot comprehend. Mass upheaval that we have not seen in a century.

      Hence Trump will be a means to an end, and through the chaos an Octavian figure could rise and assert himself as the coherent strong horse in the political order. However, historical comparisons are always scathing.

  2. #DEATH TO MERKEL
    #DEATH TO SCHENGEN
    #DEATH TO THE EUSSR

    Fake refugees but real invaders still coming by the thousands.

    Merkel and her puppets in the EU have now added millions of turks to the lists of potential invaders by signing an illegal agreement with dictator and criminal Erdogan.

    She did so to take revenge on German voters who, logically, humiliated her and her criminal dictatorship in the last elections by voting massively for AFD, the only opposition party in totalitarian Germany.

    this will allow Erdogan millions of turks to flood Europe and colonise it as it is the real project behind everything.

    The only solution is to go out of Schengen, close the borders and eliminate traitors like Merkel, Obama (soon to go) Hollande and all the others betraying their people and countries.

    These people are bent on the destruction of the European civilization, with the help of their friends the islamists (like in Brussels, Syria, Paris, etc…) .

    Any citizen has the right and duty to protect his land, his democracy and has the right to execute traitors like Merkel.

    It’s a wonder that nobody put a bullet in her head already.

  3. I personally think that we are living through the early years of the collapse of western civilization (Maybe something like the crisis of the 3rd century and the rise of the dominate is heading our way), i also think the Age of Caesar was postponed by the allied victory at the end of WW2.
    but the Refugee Crisis/mass immigration into western nations is eerily familiar to how the barbarian tribes entered the empire, the settlements the romans built for the Foederati were essentially refugee camps.
    that said we have many years before us and the final collapse of the west (there was 38 years between the battle of adrianople and alarics sacking of rome and 32 years between the sacking of rome and Odoacer’s deposition of Romulus Augustulus and who knows some western nations may go on as a kind of Byzantium).
    another thing which is slowly building but hasn’t happened yet is the second religiousness, i know a lot of people vaguely interested in eastern religions, there is the neopagan/occult revival and wouldn’t be surprised if the Charismatic/Pentecostal (Dionysian) expression of Christianity has some role in its revival.

    just some thoughts

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